sanju
09-25 09:40 AM
Just curious. Why do you claim ROW is receiving preferential treatment over India when all the countries get the same upper limit of the visas. Now if the Indians ask for more visas just because there are more Indians asking for green cards, wouldn't that be preferential treatment? :)
Why do think that "India" is the name of 1 human being that everyone from India should be treat like 1 person. Each person applies for his/her I-485, even each member of a family is considered separate. So why club one group of people based on a dichotomy that works best in your favor and then argue that there should be no change. Why not apply color of skin to decide the limits, or maybe the language. Because frankly, which country I come from has nothing to do with why I am here, just as the color of my skin or my native language has no relevance to my petition. In any system if you club large group of applicants based on a dichotomy, and say you will get lesser share than the rest, isn't that how you describe preferential treatment ? Is there any other way to describe the current country-quota system? Why not say Tamil SriLankans will autonomously govern 86% of the land and rest of people in Sri Lanka should migrate to the remaining 14%. Is that how it works there? Probably not, then why argue for something which is actually nothing but preferential treatment. That's ok, in olden days, when racial discrimination was legal, people who benefited from it argued in favor of it, just as you are doing in favor of per-country limits. But the society is much better without racial discrimination. Don't you think so? Any special benefits accorded to one set of group over the other is preferential treatment. There is no other way to describe it. Now, if you got a job, which is why you are here, based on the fact that you are from Sri Lanka, then it is a different thing, then you must get green card based on which country you came from. But it would be illegal if actually you got got your job because you are from Sri-Lanka. Then why apply the benefit which is a direct derivative of your employment (and hence employment based green card) based on which country you came from? Is there any relation between your job and your country of origin? If yes, then it is illegal, if no, then why give benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, if no, and you continue to want the benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, wouldn't that be asking for preferential treatment? How else will you chose to describe it? Please help me to understand this.
And here is what I wrote earlier, which you did not want to read because you probably have not answer for this question to help your argument, so very conveniently you just had to skip it entirely. Here is goes ....
I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Now if the Indians ask for more visas just because there are more Indians asking for green cards, wouldn't that be preferential treatment?
NO. That would not be preferential treatment. Because as I said, India is not 1 human being who ought to consume the same oxygen as 1 human being namely Sri Lanka must consume. Each applicant in employment based green card is a separate human being. Hope you are not proposing to ration oxygen based on country quota.
Look, I know removal of per-country quota may not work in your favor so you do not want to remove it. Tell me that it is not true and this discussion is over. And if per-country quota puts me at any dis-advantage as compared to you, isn't system giving you preferential treatment over me? How else will you describe it?
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Why do think that "India" is the name of 1 human being that everyone from India should be treat like 1 person. Each person applies for his/her I-485, even each member of a family is considered separate. So why club one group of people based on a dichotomy that works best in your favor and then argue that there should be no change. Why not apply color of skin to decide the limits, or maybe the language. Because frankly, which country I come from has nothing to do with why I am here, just as the color of my skin or my native language has no relevance to my petition. In any system if you club large group of applicants based on a dichotomy, and say you will get lesser share than the rest, isn't that how you describe preferential treatment ? Is there any other way to describe the current country-quota system? Why not say Tamil SriLankans will autonomously govern 86% of the land and rest of people in Sri Lanka should migrate to the remaining 14%. Is that how it works there? Probably not, then why argue for something which is actually nothing but preferential treatment. That's ok, in olden days, when racial discrimination was legal, people who benefited from it argued in favor of it, just as you are doing in favor of per-country limits. But the society is much better without racial discrimination. Don't you think so? Any special benefits accorded to one set of group over the other is preferential treatment. There is no other way to describe it. Now, if you got a job, which is why you are here, based on the fact that you are from Sri Lanka, then it is a different thing, then you must get green card based on which country you came from. But it would be illegal if actually you got got your job because you are from Sri-Lanka. Then why apply the benefit which is a direct derivative of your employment (and hence employment based green card) based on which country you came from? Is there any relation between your job and your country of origin? If yes, then it is illegal, if no, then why give benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, if no, and you continue to want the benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, wouldn't that be asking for preferential treatment? How else will you chose to describe it? Please help me to understand this.
And here is what I wrote earlier, which you did not want to read because you probably have not answer for this question to help your argument, so very conveniently you just had to skip it entirely. Here is goes ....
I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Now if the Indians ask for more visas just because there are more Indians asking for green cards, wouldn't that be preferential treatment?
NO. That would not be preferential treatment. Because as I said, India is not 1 human being who ought to consume the same oxygen as 1 human being namely Sri Lanka must consume. Each applicant in employment based green card is a separate human being. Hope you are not proposing to ration oxygen based on country quota.
Look, I know removal of per-country quota may not work in your favor so you do not want to remove it. Tell me that it is not true and this discussion is over. And if per-country quota puts me at any dis-advantage as compared to you, isn't system giving you preferential treatment over me? How else will you describe it?
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Bokke
06-05 11:49 AM
haha. yeah, it asks for a username and pas when you go to this page now
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pappu
04-27 08:43 PM
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Rajeev
01-31 12:01 PM
Just got 3 more persons to vote. Will be spending next one hour asking friends to vote.
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number30
05-09 12:44 AM
How is that getting a citizenship is an achievement?
For that matter nothing is an achievement. if Some one gets a baby everyone greets him. Is that an achievement? If you buy a house you are happy. Is that an achievement? For some people coming to US was an achievement. Some people think getting a green card. We see all congratulation message when someone get his GC.
So Please be broad minded. It may be nothing for you. But for some people it is an achievement. People like me are happy by achieving small things. This may nothing for you But it is good reason for the celebration for the people like us.
For that matter nothing is an achievement. if Some one gets a baby everyone greets him. Is that an achievement? If you buy a house you are happy. Is that an achievement? For some people coming to US was an achievement. Some people think getting a green card. We see all congratulation message when someone get his GC.
So Please be broad minded. It may be nothing for you. But for some people it is an achievement. People like me are happy by achieving small things. This may nothing for you But it is good reason for the celebration for the people like us.
Macaca
11-19 12:41 PM
In War on the Middle Class (http://www.amazon.com/War-Middle-Class-Government-Business/dp/0670037923) Lou Dobbs says H1B workers don't pay taxes.
However, H-1B workers are legally required to pay the same taxes as any other US resident, including Social Security and Medicare. Some H-1B workers are not eligible to receive any Social Security or Medicare benefits unless they are able to adjust status to that of permanent resident. However, if their country of citizenship has a tax agreement with the United States, they are able to collect the Social Security they've earned even if they don't gain permanent residency.
In some cases, H-1B workers pay higher taxes than a US citizen because they are not entitled to certain deductions (eg. head of household deduction amongst many others).
Indian techie slams CNN Lou Dobbs! (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/10-28a-04.asp) By N. Sivakumar, October 28, 2004
In a book titled "Dude, did I steal your job? Debugging Indian Computer programmers", the author, an Indian software engineer, has slammed Lou Dobbs of CNN for calling the foreign high-tech workers as non-tax payers, and humiliating the enormous contributions of foreign high-tech workforce to the American economy.
"Foreign high-tech workers who come here on H-1B / L1 visas pay every tax that U.S. citizens do, including Social Security and Medicare. But if they return to their homeland, then they will not get any benefits from these programs. The recent recession cost the United States more than half a million foreign high-tech workers who had to return home after paying all these taxes. In fact, Americans owe them money"
The author writes.
"The ignorance to mention the stupendous contributions of immigrant high-tech workers was the primary cause for the anti-Indian atmosphere which is seen among computer professionals lately. Unfortunately, neither the media nor the public understand the foreign high-tech workforce. The net result: those who supported the foreign high-tech worker programs have taken a back seat to play safe, and Indians and others who came here on visas, and worked their butts off to make this country prosper are named 'slaves', 'dummies', and 'enemies'. writes the author, N.Sivakumar.
The book also claims that bringing in foreign high-tech workforce at the right time was the primary reason for America's stupendous high-tech success, and gives statistics and evidence to prove that hadn't America acted quickly, the Europeans would have taken over the software dominance.
The book also outlines the life, struggle and achievements of Indian programmers in America with entertaining facts, and is a prime discussion topic in many anti-outsourcing and immigration websites lately.
However, H-1B workers are legally required to pay the same taxes as any other US resident, including Social Security and Medicare. Some H-1B workers are not eligible to receive any Social Security or Medicare benefits unless they are able to adjust status to that of permanent resident. However, if their country of citizenship has a tax agreement with the United States, they are able to collect the Social Security they've earned even if they don't gain permanent residency.
In some cases, H-1B workers pay higher taxes than a US citizen because they are not entitled to certain deductions (eg. head of household deduction amongst many others).
Indian techie slams CNN Lou Dobbs! (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/10-28a-04.asp) By N. Sivakumar, October 28, 2004
In a book titled "Dude, did I steal your job? Debugging Indian Computer programmers", the author, an Indian software engineer, has slammed Lou Dobbs of CNN for calling the foreign high-tech workers as non-tax payers, and humiliating the enormous contributions of foreign high-tech workforce to the American economy.
"Foreign high-tech workers who come here on H-1B / L1 visas pay every tax that U.S. citizens do, including Social Security and Medicare. But if they return to their homeland, then they will not get any benefits from these programs. The recent recession cost the United States more than half a million foreign high-tech workers who had to return home after paying all these taxes. In fact, Americans owe them money"
The author writes.
"The ignorance to mention the stupendous contributions of immigrant high-tech workers was the primary cause for the anti-Indian atmosphere which is seen among computer professionals lately. Unfortunately, neither the media nor the public understand the foreign high-tech workforce. The net result: those who supported the foreign high-tech worker programs have taken a back seat to play safe, and Indians and others who came here on visas, and worked their butts off to make this country prosper are named 'slaves', 'dummies', and 'enemies'. writes the author, N.Sivakumar.
The book also claims that bringing in foreign high-tech workforce at the right time was the primary reason for America's stupendous high-tech success, and gives statistics and evidence to prove that hadn't America acted quickly, the Europeans would have taken over the software dominance.
The book also outlines the life, struggle and achievements of Indian programmers in America with entertaining facts, and is a prime discussion topic in many anti-outsourcing and immigration websites lately.
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kartikiran
08-15 05:34 PM
I was looking at the recent forum posts and there was no discussions about EB3 listed. Thought would "BUMP" this to bring the EB3 plight on the top...
Felt EB3 category looked like a lost category, when the EB2 approvals was at the top all the time in our recent forums...:mad:
Felt EB3 category looked like a lost category, when the EB2 approvals was at the top all the time in our recent forums...:mad:
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imneedy
02-27 07:04 PM
Do you know if labor substitution for future employment is possible.
I am working with company A and company B have labor approved with 2003 priority date. I want to work with company A till my I-140 labor substitution application (from employer B) is approved by uscis.
Do you know if it is possible?
Thanks in advance!!
Assuming that you can still file for labor substitution, any suggestions on risk involved with substitution for future employment?
I am working with company A and company B have labor approved with 2003 priority date. I want to work with company A till my I-140 labor substitution application (from employer B) is approved by uscis.
Do you know if it is possible?
Thanks in advance!!
Assuming that you can still file for labor substitution, any suggestions on risk involved with substitution for future employment?
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NKR
03-13 02:13 PM
Yes! on IV you are supposed to say only good things about IV (though IV is "grass-root" non-profit) but no free speech here :confused:
You are only supposed to smell and sense good things about IV and hence write only good ... but god-forbid if you write truth then IV-watchers will try to ruin your "image" by giving RED dots (IV-mileage points) and make you feel bad-guy :rolleyes:
Dude, it's not red dots, it's red squares.
You are only supposed to smell and sense good things about IV and hence write only good ... but god-forbid if you write truth then IV-watchers will try to ruin your "image" by giving RED dots (IV-mileage points) and make you feel bad-guy :rolleyes:
Dude, it's not red dots, it's red squares.
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beppenyc
11-14 05:54 PM
If the Repubblican Senators will confirm its vote, the Filibuster will be impossible.
We will have 9 new senators, 7 dem, one Ind, and one repubblican.
Except the senator from Montana, all the news dems are favorable for the CIR., as well as the Indipent one. I don`t know about the new senator from Tennesse.
Also Kyl was talking about the original plan from Mc Cain (who will be a runner, which means that he needs the latino vote)-Kennedy, the one passed from the senate was little bit different. Let`s hope for the duck in anycase....
We will have 9 new senators, 7 dem, one Ind, and one repubblican.
Except the senator from Montana, all the news dems are favorable for the CIR., as well as the Indipent one. I don`t know about the new senator from Tennesse.
Also Kyl was talking about the original plan from Mc Cain (who will be a runner, which means that he needs the latino vote)-Kennedy, the one passed from the senate was little bit different. Let`s hope for the duck in anycase....
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485Mbe4001
11-14 05:23 PM
PM'ed you.. good luck with you efforts :)
Why do you jump the gun and reach conclusions??!!!
All that was asked - was to write to the Radio station using their website. Who asked anyone to picket?!!! Re-read my post. I asked members to call up and ask hard questions challenging his credibility. ....
What's wrong in using Gandhi's name? Are you allergic to the great man?
it may affect you in a positive way. :)
Why do you jump the gun and reach conclusions??!!!
All that was asked - was to write to the Radio station using their website. Who asked anyone to picket?!!! Re-read my post. I asked members to call up and ask hard questions challenging his credibility. ....
What's wrong in using Gandhi's name? Are you allergic to the great man?
it may affect you in a positive way. :)
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caliguy
10-30 07:48 PM
@ ndialani
Sorry, should have put in a note for all you guys. Yes, have a copy of your 140 (that you think should be used, should be the one with the earliest priority date) & 485 receipt. Heck, I even kept a copy of my labor approval in the car.
I think you are almost there. Good news should be around the corner for you. Having said that, please be persistent. I think if the first IO you talked to put in the details in the system, your case will be reviewed by the IO but dont leave anything to chance.
Like I said in the earlier post, you dont lose anything by calling except for a couple miutes of your time. It's so much better than talking to some retard from Customer Service or spending hours commuting for an Infopass appointment which doesnt get you anywhere.
Keep the faith and good luck!
Thanks Caliguy for all your help.
I was able to talk to IO in TSC. Very nice IO (male). He really took time to look into my case.
First he said my case is preadj. , Than he mentioned my I-140 is under EB3 as per computer records.
I told him, i have the copy of my approved I-140 and it is under EB 2 category. he put me on hold for like 4-5 minutes. Came back and said he has passed on the info to IO looking into my case . He asked me for Reciept,alien # ets. on my I-140 BUT God Darn it, i didint have the document with me at that time. He said, i could call, ad give it to IO . I was so MAD!!!
After 30 minutes of searching, i found my approved I140 from 2006.
I called POJ method Less than 2 minutes i spoke to IO ....they dont disclose the name.
I explained my situation again and gave him all the info .He even asked my contact phone no.
i gave it to him.
I dont know , what to do next. Do you think they really pass in the info to IO reviewing the case?
Should i call on Monday.
Man! this weekend will be a GRIND!
I wish , i had the I140 handy.
So all of you there,
Learn from my mistake...please have all the documents with you....you never know, what they will ask for.
Thanks again Caliguy!!!!
Sorry, should have put in a note for all you guys. Yes, have a copy of your 140 (that you think should be used, should be the one with the earliest priority date) & 485 receipt. Heck, I even kept a copy of my labor approval in the car.
I think you are almost there. Good news should be around the corner for you. Having said that, please be persistent. I think if the first IO you talked to put in the details in the system, your case will be reviewed by the IO but dont leave anything to chance.
Like I said in the earlier post, you dont lose anything by calling except for a couple miutes of your time. It's so much better than talking to some retard from Customer Service or spending hours commuting for an Infopass appointment which doesnt get you anywhere.
Keep the faith and good luck!
Thanks Caliguy for all your help.
I was able to talk to IO in TSC. Very nice IO (male). He really took time to look into my case.
First he said my case is preadj. , Than he mentioned my I-140 is under EB3 as per computer records.
I told him, i have the copy of my approved I-140 and it is under EB 2 category. he put me on hold for like 4-5 minutes. Came back and said he has passed on the info to IO looking into my case . He asked me for Reciept,alien # ets. on my I-140 BUT God Darn it, i didint have the document with me at that time. He said, i could call, ad give it to IO . I was so MAD!!!
After 30 minutes of searching, i found my approved I140 from 2006.
I called POJ method Less than 2 minutes i spoke to IO ....they dont disclose the name.
I explained my situation again and gave him all the info .He even asked my contact phone no.
i gave it to him.
I dont know , what to do next. Do you think they really pass in the info to IO reviewing the case?
Should i call on Monday.
Man! this weekend will be a GRIND!
I wish , i had the I140 handy.
So all of you there,
Learn from my mistake...please have all the documents with you....you never know, what they will ask for.
Thanks again Caliguy!!!!
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chicago60607
09-17 11:14 AM
Finally one member is seated, I guess it is Mr.King
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viva
02-05 05:55 PM
Hello everyone,
I was just thinking about this the past couple of months and maybe we dont even need to ask for Green cards. MAYBE our approach should be "Let the H4s work". Once husband and wife can both work, the green card can take its time. Right now the Biggest problem with most people is that "my spouse cannot work!". Maybe if we lobby for h4s to be eligible to work that may solve the problem.
Now before this suggestion creates a HUGE "Dhoom", this is JUST a suggestion. The current political climate does not look like it is going to be easy in any way to put any provisions for Green card increases. Besides if the logic is "Let temporary workers be temporary", this approach fits in with that logic, coz we are not asking for GCs (permanent residency), just more temporary EADs.
This is a blatant violation of what IV stands for. When you are asking for your spouse to work, you are indirectly saying that it is your priority instead of a GC.
So, are you just interested in making more money or getting a GC? If you are interested in your spouse working, it indicated you want to make more money. This will come at a cost of IV not being able to push the GC as a priority item.
Please analyze your requests, its impact on the organization and the morale of the core team before posting such irrelevant posts. Right now, the goal of the organization is to push forward the GC agenda without getting distracted with "H-4 needs to work request".
Go IV!!!!!!!!!!! Go IV Core!!!!!!
I was just thinking about this the past couple of months and maybe we dont even need to ask for Green cards. MAYBE our approach should be "Let the H4s work". Once husband and wife can both work, the green card can take its time. Right now the Biggest problem with most people is that "my spouse cannot work!". Maybe if we lobby for h4s to be eligible to work that may solve the problem.
Now before this suggestion creates a HUGE "Dhoom", this is JUST a suggestion. The current political climate does not look like it is going to be easy in any way to put any provisions for Green card increases. Besides if the logic is "Let temporary workers be temporary", this approach fits in with that logic, coz we are not asking for GCs (permanent residency), just more temporary EADs.
This is a blatant violation of what IV stands for. When you are asking for your spouse to work, you are indirectly saying that it is your priority instead of a GC.
So, are you just interested in making more money or getting a GC? If you are interested in your spouse working, it indicated you want to make more money. This will come at a cost of IV not being able to push the GC as a priority item.
Please analyze your requests, its impact on the organization and the morale of the core team before posting such irrelevant posts. Right now, the goal of the organization is to push forward the GC agenda without getting distracted with "H-4 needs to work request".
Go IV!!!!!!!!!!! Go IV Core!!!!!!
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mallu
12-04 10:47 PM
Here is the link to Cao v. Upchurch ruling.
http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/07D0833P.pdf.
http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/07D0833P.pdf.
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laborfd
04-26 05:39 PM
Sent a contribution of $50 through pay pal
IV is doing great job, Sincere thanks to all the core members for doing all these great work :)
IV is doing great job, Sincere thanks to all the core members for doing all these great work :)
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NKR
06-12 10:51 AM
I agree.. you should be suing the other party in front of you for injuries since they were the ones who stopped and as the person said - offense is the best defense .
If I remember correctly the first car in front of you had already collided with the car number 2 and hence all the accidents. I don't know how they can put you at fault . So let the lawyers handle it and go all the way .
Best of luck.
I sort of disagree. In accidents like this, most often the person who will be ticketed will be the one driving behind, the reason being that in the eyes of the law the person driving behind should maintain safe distance from the vehicle in front of him even accounting for the fact the guy at front might stop suddenly. This is a lesson for people tail-gaiting too close�.
If I remember correctly the first car in front of you had already collided with the car number 2 and hence all the accidents. I don't know how they can put you at fault . So let the lawyers handle it and go all the way .
Best of luck.
I sort of disagree. In accidents like this, most often the person who will be ticketed will be the one driving behind, the reason being that in the eyes of the law the person driving behind should maintain safe distance from the vehicle in front of him even accounting for the fact the guy at front might stop suddenly. This is a lesson for people tail-gaiting too close�.
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USDream2Dust
07-18 12:00 PM
I am with you guys too. I know the battle is still not won. Getting EAD and AP is good but having GC is much better especially when you are paying 50% tax (atleast in my case) for no permanent status and the feeling of uncertainty when you visit your folks back home.
All for it. Let Core handle it and I would support it.;)
All for it. Let Core handle it and I would support it.;)
B3NKobe
05-31 01:35 AM
Pretty lame and boring idoik. Heres what I mean by skinning an iPod, this is one that Uber did over at the LabRats Forums:
http://www.razyr.com/myimages/iPod-Skin.png
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atmercyofdol
07-15 01:07 PM
Signed. Something I was intending to do. Anyone know who the major sponsors of the show are?
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