joydiptac
11-01 10:03 PM
Let us all have a rally to move back to our countries on 4July2008 to symbolically show that we want our Freedom and Independence and never return back...
Hey Mr. G I Joe,
Dont know who you are? or what your motive may be?
But you are asking the wrong question to the wrong group. :D
People who are backlogged in the gc queue.. facing career hardships.. or frustrated... :( ..are still hanging on to their hope of getting a gc.. someday! To be part of the American Dream. -- They are the ones visiting this website, to check if there is any news.. any ray of hope for their doldrum existence.
Do you think they will say yes to you?
The guys who decide to move back unfortunately don't come to this website.
During the last recession & once in a while I see lot of smart guys (lot smarter and lot more educated than myself) move back to their home country. Not because they don't have a job but due to better prospects back home (booming economy et al). They came here since America showed promise.. they left because the way they were treated was not what they expected. Bottomline America failed to holdback those brainy folks. They may have said yes to you. They probably wouldn't have bothered. So coming back to our conclusion. Wrong question.. wrong addressee..:p
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Joy :D
P.S. Can someone unbump this thread. Wasting everyones time!!!
Hey Mr. G I Joe,
Dont know who you are? or what your motive may be?
But you are asking the wrong question to the wrong group. :D
People who are backlogged in the gc queue.. facing career hardships.. or frustrated... :( ..are still hanging on to their hope of getting a gc.. someday! To be part of the American Dream. -- They are the ones visiting this website, to check if there is any news.. any ray of hope for their doldrum existence.
Do you think they will say yes to you?
The guys who decide to move back unfortunately don't come to this website.
During the last recession & once in a while I see lot of smart guys (lot smarter and lot more educated than myself) move back to their home country. Not because they don't have a job but due to better prospects back home (booming economy et al). They came here since America showed promise.. they left because the way they were treated was not what they expected. Bottomline America failed to holdback those brainy folks. They may have said yes to you. They probably wouldn't have bothered. So coming back to our conclusion. Wrong question.. wrong addressee..:p
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Joy :D
P.S. Can someone unbump this thread. Wasting everyones time!!!
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Nid2009
03-10 05:21 PM
Thanks for the numbers. Are these numbers including Depdent also or only Primary applicatnt. Also, they are only 485-Pending cases or I-140 approved also included.
eb3India
03-08 11:03 AM
I second everything logic has said,
Also it is really funny and I use to think it's just me, but I am glad someone else is also experinced the same,
Myself, I was able to file I-485 and renewed EAD 3 times, which means my wife is working from past three years, I have changed job using AC-21 twice and my salary is increased and have better job, which means I am not too much worried about getting GC, but I still contribute to IV and call lawmakers many times.
The FEAR I see among many people is really pathatic, I know couple of friends does not even want to talk to me on phone about this matter thinking that some one might be listening,
Also it is really funny and I use to think it's just me, but I am glad someone else is also experinced the same,
Myself, I was able to file I-485 and renewed EAD 3 times, which means my wife is working from past three years, I have changed job using AC-21 twice and my salary is increased and have better job, which means I am not too much worried about getting GC, but I still contribute to IV and call lawmakers many times.
The FEAR I see among many people is really pathatic, I know couple of friends does not even want to talk to me on phone about this matter thinking that some one might be listening,
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amits
03-10 06:16 PM
It may be pending i140 from India data.
I just checked USCIS Processing Times Information pages.
- I140's are processed only at Nebraska and Texas; Not in Vermont and California.
- Vermont and California process EB based 485 applications. (So if the data is for 485 then there should have been columns for Vermont, California service center.)
- The table provided in the letter says "Pending EB applications from India".. in my communications with my attorney, the term "EB (visa) Application" was mostly referred to filing of i140 in EB category.
I just checked USCIS Processing Times Information pages.
- I140's are processed only at Nebraska and Texas; Not in Vermont and California.
- Vermont and California process EB based 485 applications. (So if the data is for 485 then there should have been columns for Vermont, California service center.)
- The table provided in the letter says "Pending EB applications from India".. in my communications with my attorney, the term "EB (visa) Application" was mostly referred to filing of i140 in EB category.
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pappu
10-17 10:05 AM
SA 3275. Mr. LEVIN submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 3093, making appropriations for the Departments of Commerce and Justice, and Science, and Related Agencies for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2008, and for other purposes; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
SEC. __. ANNUAL REPORT ON DELAYED BACKGROUND CHECKS.
(a) In General.--Not later than 60 days after the end of each fiscal year, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall submit a report to the congressional committees listed in subsection (b) that contains, with respect to the most recently completed fiscal year--
(1) a statistical analysis of the number of background checks processed and pending, including check requests in process at the time of the report and check requests that have been received but are not yet in process;
(2) the average time taken to complete each type of background check;
(3) a description of the efforts and progress made by the Director in addressing any delays in completing such background checks; and
(4) a description of the progress that has been made in automating files used in the name check process, including investigative files of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
(b) Recipients.--The congressional committees listed in this subsection are--
(1) the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate;
(2) the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate;
(3) the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives; and
(4) the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representati
This does not go far enough to solve the problem. A lot more work is needed to get an immediate fix to the problem.
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
SEC. __. ANNUAL REPORT ON DELAYED BACKGROUND CHECKS.
(a) In General.--Not later than 60 days after the end of each fiscal year, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall submit a report to the congressional committees listed in subsection (b) that contains, with respect to the most recently completed fiscal year--
(1) a statistical analysis of the number of background checks processed and pending, including check requests in process at the time of the report and check requests that have been received but are not yet in process;
(2) the average time taken to complete each type of background check;
(3) a description of the efforts and progress made by the Director in addressing any delays in completing such background checks; and
(4) a description of the progress that has been made in automating files used in the name check process, including investigative files of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
(b) Recipients.--The congressional committees listed in this subsection are--
(1) the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate;
(2) the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate;
(3) the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives; and
(4) the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representati
This does not go far enough to solve the problem. A lot more work is needed to get an immediate fix to the problem.
maine_gc
07-14 08:47 AM
Good luck people. Have fun and make it a huge success.
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nixstor
05-23 04:42 PM
dude..i not not looking for a character certificate from anyone here!
when someone can leave me a foul message why shouln't I..!
to avoid abuse of the system..let the dot givers identity be known to all!
i just raised the question...i am not doubting the intention of IV!
true...its the attitude...why is eveyonne taking it personally! (singhsa3)
I believe it was partly because you started rubbing it the wrong way
I don't know what your intention was in putting "Saar, please support bill Saar". It sounded as if like you were looking down on the guys who were calling and who requested them to call.
You probably wanted to underscore that what we are doing is not going to help and wanted to recommend some thing else, but your expression did not help.
That said, I don't leave red dots to any one.
My 2 cents.
when someone can leave me a foul message why shouln't I..!
to avoid abuse of the system..let the dot givers identity be known to all!
i just raised the question...i am not doubting the intention of IV!
true...its the attitude...why is eveyonne taking it personally! (singhsa3)
I believe it was partly because you started rubbing it the wrong way
I don't know what your intention was in putting "Saar, please support bill Saar". It sounded as if like you were looking down on the guys who were calling and who requested them to call.
You probably wanted to underscore that what we are doing is not going to help and wanted to recommend some thing else, but your expression did not help.
That said, I don't leave red dots to any one.
My 2 cents.
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rajas
08-21 12:15 PM
Iam hoping to get an H1B extension before my travel to india.IF I come back on AP without stamping a valid H1B on my passport, my status is Parolee.Now if my AOS is denied for some reason, what will be my status? Will I be out of status? How will I go back to H1 status?Do I have to travel back to India and stamp the visa? or you can just file an amendment and get the H1 extended?
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axp817
03-31 08:39 AM
So do you think they are going after AC21 folks as a scapegoat? I spoke to few people on this including lawyers and they say that "denials on 485" when 140 gets revoked is a common thing and usually the officer who issues the denial letter does not check and verify to see other details. Thats why they have to go through the MTR process.
Although, UN seems to suspect that there might be more beneath the surface here.
What still beats me is that if the 140 had problems, why would they even bother requesting for AC21 evidence and not just deny the 485 in the first place.
Unless..., when the 140 got revoked they realized that it had been more than a 180 days since the 485 was filed, and gave the applicant the benefit of doubt and asked for a new EVL, but while the applicant was in the process of replying to the NOID, they did some more digging, found that the underlying approved 140 had ability to pay (or other) issues and then denied the 485 on that basis.
UN,
You seem to be 'in the know' about this case/applicant, do you happen to know what the next steps are/would be/should be in this particular case?
Thanks,
Although, UN seems to suspect that there might be more beneath the surface here.
What still beats me is that if the 140 had problems, why would they even bother requesting for AC21 evidence and not just deny the 485 in the first place.
Unless..., when the 140 got revoked they realized that it had been more than a 180 days since the 485 was filed, and gave the applicant the benefit of doubt and asked for a new EVL, but while the applicant was in the process of replying to the NOID, they did some more digging, found that the underlying approved 140 had ability to pay (or other) issues and then denied the 485 on that basis.
UN,
You seem to be 'in the know' about this case/applicant, do you happen to know what the next steps are/would be/should be in this particular case?
Thanks,
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unitednations
03-30 09:23 PM
Thank you. I am trying to find out if people have got denials in spite of going through the NOID process.
Received one today.
Weirdest thing:
Person's 140 was revoked by employer;
person received notice of intent to deny. NOID clearly stated that 140 was revoked by employer then quoted ac21 law and said beneficiary may be eligible and to give job offer letter.
person responded with letter from new ac21 employer with perfectly matching job duties/descriptions.
uscis sent denial. Denial only stated that 140 was revoked and 140 immigrant petition is needed to get greencard.
Don't know if this is a new procedure that they are following the main law where a valied 140 is needed the whole time.
Received one today.
Weirdest thing:
Person's 140 was revoked by employer;
person received notice of intent to deny. NOID clearly stated that 140 was revoked by employer then quoted ac21 law and said beneficiary may be eligible and to give job offer letter.
person responded with letter from new ac21 employer with perfectly matching job duties/descriptions.
uscis sent denial. Denial only stated that 140 was revoked and 140 immigrant petition is needed to get greencard.
Don't know if this is a new procedure that they are following the main law where a valied 140 is needed the whole time.
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chandlerguy98
06-14 01:43 PM
I think there is another issue here. lets say you file for your 485 and you get married later in teh year..by that if PD retregresses again, your spouse wont be able to file for 485, since she gets your PD. so you might get approved sometime next year and you will loose your h1b status, then it gets to be a problem for the spouse since she is still waiting for PD to retrogress..so please talk to a lawyer and get all the facts...
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kc_p21
12-09 09:29 AM
Bump!!
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MetteBB
06-08 09:12 AM
well... since my entry is in there is really no need to wait till the 30th. It will surely win ;) :lol:
On a more serious note... there havent been alot of entries lately. Perhaps give ppl one more week and then end it?
/mette
On a more serious note... there havent been alot of entries lately. Perhaps give ppl one more week and then end it?
/mette
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puddonhead
07-31 12:39 PM
For all the non-financial enginners who are trying to make sense of financial jargons (like myself - no financial enginnering degree for me but I have worked as a quant for some time in between):
Any time you are trading something - you are betting on the direction of "something". Smisachu - with his statistical arbitrage background - would probably like to vehemently disagree at this point. But please hear me out first.
If you are buying a stock - you are betting that the price of the stock will increase. If you are not sure whether prices will increase or decrease - but still sense some bubble forming, then you know that at the top of the bubble and duing the bust phase - the volatility goes through the roof. Maybe it is time for some option trading to trade on the volatility. So you are now trading on the volatility instead of the price.
If you become even more of a pro option trader - and you think that the market always undervalues out of money options (because human brain is not capable of anticipating the "black swan" events) - then you will buy out of the money options for pennies and will hope that you "poo like a chicken and eat like an elephant". The directional bet you are taking in this case is again on the vol increasing over a longer period of time.
If you are into statistical arbitrage - you have your own gold standard, usually some mathematical model, of how a specific market should be priced. If the market price differs from this - then you enter into a trade to make money when eventually this anomaly reverses.
Volatility is the second order "statistical moment" of the price. These, and other derived quantities (are usually termed as greeks in the trading perlance) - but if you are good in statistics - then you could think of all of them as statistical moments and formulate your whole mathematical model on that. There are ways you can formulate strateties to trade even higher order derivatives.
The basic fact that you are betting on the direction of "something" is often lost on even some professional traders - leading to some wonderful illusions of risk free return (like perpetual motion machine).
To be fair - there are some trading strategies which appear very simple and intuitively appealing - yet produce extremely complex mathematical results when you try to find out exactly which "something" you are taking a directional bet on.
So if you want to trade - I think a good idea is to first find out what is this "something" that you will like to bet on. Alternatively, if you have any strategy - please first understand what kind of direction bet you are taking - and the risks associated with it.
Any thoughts?
P.S.: "Directional bet" is a dirty work in trading perlance. I used it intentionally for effect.
Any time you are trading something - you are betting on the direction of "something". Smisachu - with his statistical arbitrage background - would probably like to vehemently disagree at this point. But please hear me out first.
If you are buying a stock - you are betting that the price of the stock will increase. If you are not sure whether prices will increase or decrease - but still sense some bubble forming, then you know that at the top of the bubble and duing the bust phase - the volatility goes through the roof. Maybe it is time for some option trading to trade on the volatility. So you are now trading on the volatility instead of the price.
If you become even more of a pro option trader - and you think that the market always undervalues out of money options (because human brain is not capable of anticipating the "black swan" events) - then you will buy out of the money options for pennies and will hope that you "poo like a chicken and eat like an elephant". The directional bet you are taking in this case is again on the vol increasing over a longer period of time.
If you are into statistical arbitrage - you have your own gold standard, usually some mathematical model, of how a specific market should be priced. If the market price differs from this - then you enter into a trade to make money when eventually this anomaly reverses.
Volatility is the second order "statistical moment" of the price. These, and other derived quantities (are usually termed as greeks in the trading perlance) - but if you are good in statistics - then you could think of all of them as statistical moments and formulate your whole mathematical model on that. There are ways you can formulate strateties to trade even higher order derivatives.
The basic fact that you are betting on the direction of "something" is often lost on even some professional traders - leading to some wonderful illusions of risk free return (like perpetual motion machine).
To be fair - there are some trading strategies which appear very simple and intuitively appealing - yet produce extremely complex mathematical results when you try to find out exactly which "something" you are taking a directional bet on.
So if you want to trade - I think a good idea is to first find out what is this "something" that you will like to bet on. Alternatively, if you have any strategy - please first understand what kind of direction bet you are taking - and the risks associated with it.
Any thoughts?
P.S.: "Directional bet" is a dirty work in trading perlance. I used it intentionally for effect.
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GCard_Dream
01-31 12:55 PM
I talked to my lawyer today about what he thought about this new development and he indicated that there might a court challenge to this new rule. Now from a lawyer's and employer's point of view, I can understand their frustration and they certainly have the money to drag this thing in the court for a while but the question is will they? And if they decided to go to court, will the new rule be halted until a decision is made by the court? He indicated that the least the lawyer's and employer's might accept is to exclude the existing approved labors from being affected by this new rule.
Let's all hope that they don't succeed; otherwise this new rule won't help us as much as it could.
Let's all hope that they don't succeed; otherwise this new rule won't help us as much as it could.
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AabTuAgaGC
06-14 12:15 PM
This is how it works. If you file for your 485 now, the next thing that is expected from you is to wait for the receipt, that would take 3 to 4 weeks. Then you will get finger print notice, that might come in three months time. Once you are done with all this then check the processing date of the respective service centre where you have filed your 485 application.
Now coming to the question of unmarried filers, if the principal aplicant's date of marriage is beofe his or her 485 adjudication of adjustment of status, there are two ways principal applicant file for 485 for his or her spouse. The spouse can travel to US on H4 and file for 485 or the principal applicant can do consular processing. Now consular processing is good for those cases whosw w PD is current but since retrogression can kick in anytime it is better to travel to US on H4 and file for 485.
Another important aspect is if you file 485, EAD, Advance Parole and you use EAD, you loose your H1 status, hence on EAD you can not bring in your wife. So unmarried filersn it goes like thisn you go ahead and fileyour 485, then go to your home country brng in your wife on H4n as you have aleast s months of time if NSC, TSC or CSC 485 processing is not current and it is hown 1 month for receipt of 485, three months of time for getting the finger print notice and you can postpone by another month of FP by rescheduling it to another month. So literally you have 4 to 5 months to get married and by that time the dates will retrogress again. So dont worry, just go ahead file your 485 and start looking to get married. But try to bring in your spouse asap so that you can file for your spouses 485 also till the time PD is current. If you are not able to file for 485 for your spouse and you have filed for yourself and whenthe dates retrogresses again when your spouse comed to US you would not be able to use EAD as using EAD nullifies H1 and H4 status. So desi consulting companies will keep on sucking your blood as you cannot change job using EAD. If you need more info on this let me know I have gone through this and waited for almost three years to file for my spouse I resheduled my FP notice in 2004 to get married by the time my wife came retrogression kicked in and waited till June 2007 to file for my wife. My PD june 2002 still waiting
Thanks ajmalnasar, for your detailed reply! I am in the same boat. I am filing my i-485 this month and am hoping that I will at least get married on papers this Oct/Nov. The rest of the dhol dhamaka can be done later. I don't want to get married and then have to wait another 5 years to bring in my wifey. My PD is Dec 2003.
Now coming to the question of unmarried filers, if the principal aplicant's date of marriage is beofe his or her 485 adjudication of adjustment of status, there are two ways principal applicant file for 485 for his or her spouse. The spouse can travel to US on H4 and file for 485 or the principal applicant can do consular processing. Now consular processing is good for those cases whosw w PD is current but since retrogression can kick in anytime it is better to travel to US on H4 and file for 485.
Another important aspect is if you file 485, EAD, Advance Parole and you use EAD, you loose your H1 status, hence on EAD you can not bring in your wife. So unmarried filersn it goes like thisn you go ahead and fileyour 485, then go to your home country brng in your wife on H4n as you have aleast s months of time if NSC, TSC or CSC 485 processing is not current and it is hown 1 month for receipt of 485, three months of time for getting the finger print notice and you can postpone by another month of FP by rescheduling it to another month. So literally you have 4 to 5 months to get married and by that time the dates will retrogress again. So dont worry, just go ahead file your 485 and start looking to get married. But try to bring in your spouse asap so that you can file for your spouses 485 also till the time PD is current. If you are not able to file for 485 for your spouse and you have filed for yourself and whenthe dates retrogresses again when your spouse comed to US you would not be able to use EAD as using EAD nullifies H1 and H4 status. So desi consulting companies will keep on sucking your blood as you cannot change job using EAD. If you need more info on this let me know I have gone through this and waited for almost three years to file for my spouse I resheduled my FP notice in 2004 to get married by the time my wife came retrogression kicked in and waited till June 2007 to file for my wife. My PD june 2002 still waiting
Thanks ajmalnasar, for your detailed reply! I am in the same boat. I am filing my i-485 this month and am hoping that I will at least get married on papers this Oct/Nov. The rest of the dhol dhamaka can be done later. I don't want to get married and then have to wait another 5 years to bring in my wifey. My PD is Dec 2003.
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greenmonster
08-04 09:58 PM
I am a July 2007 filer, so far i have never got finger prints on my EAD. First time i did not get a FP notice. I scheduled an info pass appointment and got my FP notice.. gave FP in Feb 2008. I got my first EAD in Oct 2007.
My latest EAD ( approved Jul 2010) does not have the finger prints on it. Last time I gave my FP was in June 2009 ( Notice sent by USICS ). Is that something to worry? Is it related to NC ?
My latest EAD ( approved Jul 2010) does not have the finger prints on it. Last time I gave my FP was in June 2009 ( Notice sent by USICS ). Is that something to worry? Is it related to NC ?
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sobers
02-22 12:31 PM
Whether it is logical or not, whether we like it or not, the issues of illegal and legal immigration are intrinsically tied up (to the disadvantage of skilled workers, of course:-()
Anyhow, this appeared in today's Wall Street Journal...it may forbode a taste of things to come..or not come..this one focusses on the DREAM Act which is geared to provide in-state tuition to illegal immigrants..
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Should Illegal Immigrants Get Tuition Help?
States' Varying Stances on College-Education Benefit Illustrate Congress's Overhaul Task
By JUNE KRONHOLZ
February 22, 2006; Page A4
WASHINGTON -- An emotional state-level dispute over college tuition shows how tough it will be for Congress to overhaul immigration laws and extend citizenship benefits to the country's estimated 11 million illegal immigrants.
Four years ago, California passed a law granting in-state tuition to students who were in the U.S. illegally but had graduated from a California high school. Eight other states followed, allowing illegal immigrants to attend public colleges for in-state student fees -- usually less than half what out-of-state students pay.
DiAnna Schimek, a Democrat who heads the Nebraska Senate's education committee, says she has pushed for an in-state tuition bill for illegal immigrants as a matter of compassion and economic calculation. "These children didn't bring themselves" but were brought by their parents, she says. "It's only a good investment on our part to make certain they are productive citizens."
But attitudes have been hardening as an estimated 400,000 illegal immigrants flood in yearly. "That's an alarm to the people here ... it's a drain on the economy," says Rep. Glenn Donnelson, a Utah Republican who heads an education committee in his state.
So while some legislators want to extend tuition benefits to illegal immigrants in their states, others are calling for laws to deny the benefit -- or take it back.
Lawmakers in Utah, Kansas and New Mexico -- which passed in-state tuition benefits only two or three years ago -- now are waging uphill fights to repeal them. Massachusetts legislators last month rejected a bill to offer in-state tuition benefits to illegal immigrants.
Six states are considering measures that would deny in-state tuition, tuition waivers or state scholarships to illegal immigrants. In New York, which offers in-state tuition to illegal immigrants, and Virginia, which recently passed a law offering benefits to some, bills have been introduced to bar illegal immigrants from attending public colleges.
Meanwhile, lawsuits challenging in-state tuition for illegal immigrants have been filed in California and in Kansas. "There's something wrong with giving a benefit to an illegal that we don't even give to citizens of other states," says state Rep. Becky Hutchins, a Kansas Republican leading a repeal effort there.
The tuition laws generally require illegal immigrants to have attended a local high school for three years, to have graduated or earned a high-school equivalency and to sign an affidavit promising to legalize their immigration status as soon as they are eligible.
Promoters expect few students to actually take up the benefit. Dropout rates are high and academic scores generally are low among Hispanics, who account for the majority of illegal aliens. And even in-state tuition, which averages about $5,500 this year, may be out of reach for children whose parents typically hold minimum-wage jobs.
Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri law professor who brought a federal suit against the Kansas program, says 221 illegal immigrants are enrolled in Kansas public colleges this year, and that even when the benefit becomes widely known, the number probably wouldn't exceed 2,700.
Even so, in-state tuition laws have become flashpoint among some voters who feel they haven't any other way to protest illegal immigration. Federal laws allow illegal immigrants to use emergency medical services, and a 1982 Supreme Court decision entitles their children to public education through high school.
Rod Adair, a New Mexico state senator who introduced unsuccessful legislation to repeal his state's immigrant-tuition benefit, says he was acting "in response to my constituents. They're frustrated."
Prof. Kobach's suit contends Kansas's in-state tuition benefit violates a federal law that prohibits states from giving any benefit to an illegal alien that they don't also extend to all U.S. citizens.
Among his plaintiffs, Heidi Hydeman, an Iowa native, says she was charged out-of-state tuition by the University of Kansas, though she lived in Kansas for six years and paid Kansas income tax for three years while attending the school. "I thought it was unfair," says Ms. Hydeman.
Mr. Donnelson, the Utah legislator, says Utah would face a $34 million bill if a similar suit were filed there, and current out-of-state students were refunded the difference between in-state tuition and the nonresident tuition they pay.
But legislators' doubts go beyond that. Although illegal immigrants who get the tuition benefit pledge to legalize their status, there is almost no way they can do that under current laws. And even with a college degree, there is almost no way for illegal immigrants to legally get a job.
For years, congressional supporters have promoted a measure, called the Dream Act, that would clear up those problems. States would be allowed to offer in-state tuition to illegal-immigrant students who, in turn, could become citizens.
In 2003, almost half the Senate cosponsored the Dream Act. But the Dream Act's prospects have faded, and this year its pivotal supporter, Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch, withdrew as a sponsor. "Realistically, the Dream Act will not pass" and should be included in an overhaul of immigration laws, he said.
But the tensions fueling opposition to in-state tuition laws are the same ones making it hard for Congress to pass immigration overhaul. A coalition of pro-business Republicans, Democrats, immigrant-rights groups and labor unions wants new federal laws that would let illegal immigrants eventually become citizens.
They are being stymied, however, by social conservatives, who worry about being culturally overwhelmed by immigrants, and by Republican national-security hawks, who are demanding that Washington cut off illegal immigration first. The tension prevented the U.S. House from taking up immigration overhaul last year, and is complicating the Senate's efforts to pass it this year.
Write to June Kronholz at june.kronholz@wsj.com
Anyhow, this appeared in today's Wall Street Journal...it may forbode a taste of things to come..or not come..this one focusses on the DREAM Act which is geared to provide in-state tuition to illegal immigrants..
---------------
Should Illegal Immigrants Get Tuition Help?
States' Varying Stances on College-Education Benefit Illustrate Congress's Overhaul Task
By JUNE KRONHOLZ
February 22, 2006; Page A4
WASHINGTON -- An emotional state-level dispute over college tuition shows how tough it will be for Congress to overhaul immigration laws and extend citizenship benefits to the country's estimated 11 million illegal immigrants.
Four years ago, California passed a law granting in-state tuition to students who were in the U.S. illegally but had graduated from a California high school. Eight other states followed, allowing illegal immigrants to attend public colleges for in-state student fees -- usually less than half what out-of-state students pay.
DiAnna Schimek, a Democrat who heads the Nebraska Senate's education committee, says she has pushed for an in-state tuition bill for illegal immigrants as a matter of compassion and economic calculation. "These children didn't bring themselves" but were brought by their parents, she says. "It's only a good investment on our part to make certain they are productive citizens."
But attitudes have been hardening as an estimated 400,000 illegal immigrants flood in yearly. "That's an alarm to the people here ... it's a drain on the economy," says Rep. Glenn Donnelson, a Utah Republican who heads an education committee in his state.
So while some legislators want to extend tuition benefits to illegal immigrants in their states, others are calling for laws to deny the benefit -- or take it back.
Lawmakers in Utah, Kansas and New Mexico -- which passed in-state tuition benefits only two or three years ago -- now are waging uphill fights to repeal them. Massachusetts legislators last month rejected a bill to offer in-state tuition benefits to illegal immigrants.
Six states are considering measures that would deny in-state tuition, tuition waivers or state scholarships to illegal immigrants. In New York, which offers in-state tuition to illegal immigrants, and Virginia, which recently passed a law offering benefits to some, bills have been introduced to bar illegal immigrants from attending public colleges.
Meanwhile, lawsuits challenging in-state tuition for illegal immigrants have been filed in California and in Kansas. "There's something wrong with giving a benefit to an illegal that we don't even give to citizens of other states," says state Rep. Becky Hutchins, a Kansas Republican leading a repeal effort there.
The tuition laws generally require illegal immigrants to have attended a local high school for three years, to have graduated or earned a high-school equivalency and to sign an affidavit promising to legalize their immigration status as soon as they are eligible.
Promoters expect few students to actually take up the benefit. Dropout rates are high and academic scores generally are low among Hispanics, who account for the majority of illegal aliens. And even in-state tuition, which averages about $5,500 this year, may be out of reach for children whose parents typically hold minimum-wage jobs.
Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri law professor who brought a federal suit against the Kansas program, says 221 illegal immigrants are enrolled in Kansas public colleges this year, and that even when the benefit becomes widely known, the number probably wouldn't exceed 2,700.
Even so, in-state tuition laws have become flashpoint among some voters who feel they haven't any other way to protest illegal immigration. Federal laws allow illegal immigrants to use emergency medical services, and a 1982 Supreme Court decision entitles their children to public education through high school.
Rod Adair, a New Mexico state senator who introduced unsuccessful legislation to repeal his state's immigrant-tuition benefit, says he was acting "in response to my constituents. They're frustrated."
Prof. Kobach's suit contends Kansas's in-state tuition benefit violates a federal law that prohibits states from giving any benefit to an illegal alien that they don't also extend to all U.S. citizens.
Among his plaintiffs, Heidi Hydeman, an Iowa native, says she was charged out-of-state tuition by the University of Kansas, though she lived in Kansas for six years and paid Kansas income tax for three years while attending the school. "I thought it was unfair," says Ms. Hydeman.
Mr. Donnelson, the Utah legislator, says Utah would face a $34 million bill if a similar suit were filed there, and current out-of-state students were refunded the difference between in-state tuition and the nonresident tuition they pay.
But legislators' doubts go beyond that. Although illegal immigrants who get the tuition benefit pledge to legalize their status, there is almost no way they can do that under current laws. And even with a college degree, there is almost no way for illegal immigrants to legally get a job.
For years, congressional supporters have promoted a measure, called the Dream Act, that would clear up those problems. States would be allowed to offer in-state tuition to illegal-immigrant students who, in turn, could become citizens.
In 2003, almost half the Senate cosponsored the Dream Act. But the Dream Act's prospects have faded, and this year its pivotal supporter, Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch, withdrew as a sponsor. "Realistically, the Dream Act will not pass" and should be included in an overhaul of immigration laws, he said.
But the tensions fueling opposition to in-state tuition laws are the same ones making it hard for Congress to pass immigration overhaul. A coalition of pro-business Republicans, Democrats, immigrant-rights groups and labor unions wants new federal laws that would let illegal immigrants eventually become citizens.
They are being stymied, however, by social conservatives, who worry about being culturally overwhelmed by immigrants, and by Republican national-security hawks, who are demanding that Washington cut off illegal immigration first. The tension prevented the U.S. House from taking up immigration overhaul last year, and is complicating the Senate's efforts to pass it this year.
Write to June Kronholz at june.kronholz@wsj.com
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Thanks for your response. My wife is in India currently. Wondering if we can get a letter from a pediatrician there.
Thanks,
GCisaDawg
Got a RFE for my spouse's TB test as it was not submitted at that time...
gcisadawg, remember, you can get from a pediatrician or whoever BUT as you know they should be "Certified" by USCIS for you to go get from them...dont forget that..and based on the links I referred to you earlier you dont have too many options abroad...basically a center where you may have to go and get there..
To avoid all these headaches I would go try to get more time by asking USCIS..
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PS: I am a monthly contributor.
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